Shi Degen was known to have taught snippets of larger systems, such as Zhaoyangquan, and that is what became popular, but Liu Zhenhai shows the rest of the system. The long Yilu performed by Zhang Shijie clearly comes from this series.
#Iask ishare series#
We have different sources saying this is the 18 road series taught by Shi Degen. I think there's one old 18 road Luohanquan which was taught by Shi Degen and is, at least in a good portion, presented in Liu Zhenhai's video series, containing all the common Luohanquan material. Everywhere you look, you can find people doing things he passed down and different versions and bits of the "Chashou Luohanquan" and the Zhang Shijie "Luohanquan yilu", but where do you see this other stuff by Zhu Tianxi? Shi Degen was a major part of spreading Shaolin teaching in the last century. The other Luohan stuff that is not just like that is already contained in Liu Zhenhai's series. It's been my suspicion that Zhu Tianxi must have mixed it with his Chanyuangong/Liuhegong to make different routines, like the long 108 Rouquan set he does. Unless something with historical weight can prove an older source to this stuff by Zhu Tianxi, I have to believe the information on his own website that said it's his own creation, considering how odd it is and the fact that you don't see it anywhere else but in his material.Īs for the Luohanquan of Liu Zhenhai's series, we have different students of Shi Degen saying this is the 18 road Luohanquan he taught (6 sets/3 sections). It should be something more like this: Xinyiba Zhuanggong () That's why you never see it anywhere else and have no historical reference to it, and it's quite unique.Īs for Chanyuangong being an ancient predecessor to Chen Style Taijiquan, it is said that Chen Wangting went with Li Jiyu to Shaolin Yonghuatang (Nanyuan) and learned such things as Xuzhuang (empty stake) from Xinyiba and other skills. On Zhu Tianxi's own website it said he originally created such material himself, based on his personal experience and knowledge of Neigong.
#Iask ishare full#
It's basically a full moving extension of those Qigong sets. That long Rouquan set also contains some Paoquan/Xinyiba sort of action but by far mainly many movements from his Chanyuangong and Liuhegong. Here's the thing, there are a lot of movements and sequences from the long 108 Rouquan set he does in his other Luohan sets. I had always been suspicious of his material. What's done by Zhu Tianxi and his students are contained within, because it's all the same material.Īh, other Zhu Tianxi sets. Another student of Shi Degen who authored the book that shows LZH 1+2 says it was taught by Shi Degen and is the 18 road series.
However you name it or arrange it, it's clearly the same material.
All of it is contained within the the series shown by Liu Zhenhai, from Chashou, Jintong, to Zhang Shijie. I don't know where the idea comes from that there are different 18 road series, or that all of these under discussion are different. Where did you get the idea that Shi Degen had 18 sets of 50 postures each? because Degen's 18-road Luohan quan is much more than having 324 postures in total, every Degen's form has something about 50 postures! What? so, Liu Zhenha's 6 VCDs (almost the same as Yongxin/Yanzhuang's Luohan quan)-which are Extended Versions of the old 27 and 54 posture Xiao and Da Luohan quans-can be the same old 18 short road Luohan quan of the late Ming Dynasty?
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